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hey everyone welcome to the Euro 4 hub

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webcast and today's guest is going to be

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Mike Leland we'll be talking about the

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connections between outs and UFOs or ETS

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a and we'll be starting out with some of

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the questions that were submitted for

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Mike after that I'll ask some more

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questions on my own and so without any

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further ado here's Mike hey Mike thanks

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for being on how are you I'm wonderful

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thanks so much it's an honor well thanks

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for taking the time to talk to me today

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and like always I'd like to start out

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with some questions from the from the

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listeners or watchers and I guess after

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those I have some questions on my own

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and we'll go from there

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great okey doke so the first question is

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from Peter he's from London England he

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says hello Mike really enjoyed reading

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the messengers would you be able to talk

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more about times when your force and

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outs have featured side by side in films

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or television please it's always

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interesting to hear again even if you

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are repeating some things you've written

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about before okay so it doesn't go back

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very far in the literature as far as the

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literature the in the especially in film

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there's a in a movie called I think it

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was called it came from outer space a

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1950s science fiction directed by Roger

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Corman black and white there's a scene

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where an alien and it's pretty

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sophisticated the alien as like kind of

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arrived on earth and through an

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interdimensional doorway and it's so

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there's parts of it or they're very

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sophisticated so corny and plenty of

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parts but and he's a feeding on humans

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so it's kind of a monster movie but

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there's a scene where this man and he's

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kind of a man in black wears a suit and

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a hat and dark glasses and takes his

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glasses off and zaps this woman and she

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becomes hypnotized and it's kind of a

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you know her death scene it's kind of

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those meant to be a scary movie and a

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they cut to an owl hooting in in a tree

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branch now I there is no conspiracy

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there is no to have anything to do with

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anything paranormal but that is the lore

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of the owl right the lore of the owl is

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a it's a set piece in a spooky movie but

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that was perfect right

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this is before the literature the man in

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black came out it was in the late 1950s

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so we have a we have a uh alien

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abducting a woman and at that instant

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there's an owl hooting and a close-up of

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an owl it's pretty it's pretty cheesy

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movie but um and then let's jump up to

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just a few weeks ago there's a

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television series called Project Blue

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Book I think it's just called Blue Book

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and um I think it is Project Blue Book

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and I have not actually seen any of the

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episodes in full I've seen this one clip

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and the second episode of the series in

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the series is based on Jay Jay L and

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Hynek and they boy they take a lot of

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litter liberties to the point where it's

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not really based on reality at all its

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total Hollywood fiction with a few names

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and places in there that are real real

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researchers and stuff so at the end of

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the film or at the end of the episode

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excuse me television episode and this is

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just a couple weeks ago a there's the

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the two lead characters are in a field

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and their car is parked and they're

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researching something and they're out

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there and then there's a moment where

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all of a sudden the radio goes gets all

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staticky and the like things are

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starting to vibrate a little bit and

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there's a bright light and coming over

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them is this is this it's not even a

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craft it's just a orb of light sort of a

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saucer shaped or of a blight it's very

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sophisticated special effects unlike the

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old movie that I just described very

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sophisticated beautiful Hollywood

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special effects in this thing coasts

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over and as it drifts off the static on

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the radio disappears and everything

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everything's quiet and as the thing

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drifts off there's an owl hooting so

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many people got ahold of me right away

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and said they read your book and that

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very well may be true they they might

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have cut put the owl in there on purpose

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because any scriptwriter I suspect would

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would have a would have an interest in

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the UFO topic and would be able to bike

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even a few clicks online they would you

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know it's and I'm not I didn't find the

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owl connection but um and once again it

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could be just a set piece right so

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there's nothing new about a about an owl

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spooky movie so so yeah there's two

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examples in film where owls and then

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more confusing ones would definitely be

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the twin peaks' owls the Owls are not

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what they seem and that would been in

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the first season which I'm pretty

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familiar with and I am people are

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constantly asking me about that what

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does it mean what does it mean in the Oh

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what's the director's name David Lynch

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meditates a lot and he gets his

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inspiration from meditation and he is

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very closed lipped about where he gets

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his information so an owl is a very

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archetypal mysterious mystical animal

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much more than and has a long lineage

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through folklore of that kind of

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mystique so it would be completely

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understandable if a man

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through meditation was looking for

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inspiration for his for his show for it

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fro for a little theme like the owl to

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show up so they were that was a long

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answer okay yeah the question is from

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North Hills California you feel you have

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become more intuitive as a result of

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your experiences and if so and we tried

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to make a connection through prayer or

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other methods um I've done I've done

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I've tried hypnosis but that's not

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really an intuitive thing I have done

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this is something I write about where I

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do it less now and I did it a lot for

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awhile I would go out into the into the

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mountains when I was living at West I

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would go out into the mountains and I

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would sleep all alone often all alone

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and I would as I was lying there I would

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make a formal plea and say I am open and

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receptive to whatever you want off

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I would often say it I want it to be

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scary that would be nice but I'm I'm

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asking and by saying the universe that's

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actually a prayer I guess by saying the

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universe I might as well be saying God

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but that's just a little easier for me

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to say so I'm open and receptive for

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whatever you want to offer and

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oftentimes I would have very interesting

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dreams dreams that would would certainly

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be telling and if I didn't have a dream

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I would wake up the next morning when

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didn't have a dream but then something

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else would happen before the afternoon

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was up before the day was up usually

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very telling people would show up in my

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life exactly at the right moment after

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making that plea so I remember telling

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people about it at the time and there

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was a one woman in the town that I used

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to live in and I told her at the health

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food store in LA in the aisle there she

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was she was she was pretty smart and

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very very perceptive and I kind of told

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her this try like oh my god I went out

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and I guess this thing and then the next

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day it happened and she kind of looked

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at me like well you asked and you got it

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why should that be any surprise so yeah

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so as far as prayer I guess I do use

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prayer but I use it and I just don't I

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simply don't address it to God I address

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it to the universe it's just more more

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comfortable for me

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okay the the next two questions are

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there final questions and this

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particular person or people are from the

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UK but always use these weird names so I

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rather not just and rather not read them

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out they're just there

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they're from the UK so one of them was

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do you wonder whether you are in an

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abductee and that your owl experiences

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are screen memories I think I've crossed

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the line whether I've won I said I have

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crossed the line I'm now on the other

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side of the line I will I am an abductee

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it's a it's a terrible word like there

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was a point like going back a few years

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ago where I was so mixed up I wouldn't

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say it I had all the clues everything

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was saying like every little puzzle

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piece fit in place and the picture that

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was created was that I had had beautiful

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contact of some sort and I was denying

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and I wasn't gonna go there but now I've

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I'm on the other side of the line yes I

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feel very strongly that I am an

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experienced or an abductee a becky's a

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rough word because it implies abduction

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which is like you know that's kidnapping

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yes there's better words probably but

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that's the word we're stuck with so I'm

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contact he contact you I don't think

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well you know it's we so contact II what

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means you're kind of doing their bidding

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in a way and in a way I am writing these

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books now obsessively right working on

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these books and pushing these stuff and

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doing this research so

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one level I guess I could be a contactee

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given that definition because I have

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speculated I mean I'm just going right

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into the deeper waters here I've

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speculated that I have had some sort of

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contact --ax I mean excuse me that the

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contact experience has been like a

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trigger to do this work now am I

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being controlled to do this work I at

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times I have certainly thought that

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there's no way to know I can't I simply

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can't know but um so yes perhaps the

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second part for us whether the owl

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experiences are screen memories so I'm

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gonna say I don't think I've ever so the

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owls that I have seen I have seen close

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up and there's one and that begins the

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book the big blue book the messengers

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there's a story that just right boom

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first page starts where I was camping in

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2006 with a woman named Kristen and we

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saw owls and those owls flew right up to

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two separate camping occasions four days

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apart and they were

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I mean I am convinced those were real

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owls I've had other people come and tell

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me oh no they've told me I tell my story

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they tell me uh uh you're wrong I'm

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those were screen memories and like I

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was there and they were doing owl things

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and they were on the ground and they

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were all this they were all about this

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big and they were flying around and I'm

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convinced if I took a photograph they

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would they would have there those are

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real owls what is interesting is at the

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moment I saw those owls both times in

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2006 so three owls two separate

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occasions seeing it with the same person

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at sunset four days apart I had a voice

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in my head that said this has something

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to do with he UFOs now I've been telling

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the story a lot I tell it a lot I do

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these kind of things a lot and I've been

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stood on stage and given talks and I

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went back and checked my notes from the

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time and I in the night it's not what I

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said what's not what I heard

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I just said this is what I heard I was

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looking at a real owl a voice in my head

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said

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has something to do with the UFOs you

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are an abductee now that's that's what I

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wrote in my notes and somehow I managed

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to forget it I think I'm just like a

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polite person and I'm just cautious not

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to seem too outlandish I guess but that

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was what it was that was the the so

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I was seeing a real owl

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and I received a message I didn't talk

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about it at the time it just seemed

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crazy I'm talking about it now but

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that's the title and the theme of the

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book which I didn't even realize until

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quite recently though so I received a

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message of the title of the book is the

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so it doesn't I mean what does it matter

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if I saw screen memory I mean the the

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the the message was crystal clear

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so well I have a actually a follow-up

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question about that one later but I

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figured I'll ask this one first

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the last question is which you are for

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researchers do you admire most and whom

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do you find most credible well I mean

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it's hard to say I there's certainly

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some I find not credible in many ways

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but though I've Jacque relay I have

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amazing respect for his books just when

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I saw I was very early on in my reading

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about the UFO experience when I read the

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revelations and I remember the third one

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is they're three they stack up they have

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similar colors that covers and they also

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to look the same those are amazing

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anyone who's early or new into this

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field they should read those three books

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are just astounding whitley strieber I

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respect greatly yes there's a bunch of

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folks that I and then there's what I

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have done which is a little bit I

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actually tried to do it at one point is

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to try to read

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every UFO experience or firsthand book

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in the first person book very quickly I

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realized that was impossible there are a

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lot of them out there but I went through

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a long period where I was reading those

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obsessively which is interesting which

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is sort of telling and I um

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I those are oftentimes are very poorly

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written I mean if I was like a you know

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English literature teacher something

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like that I might get the red pin out

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and but I but but what they are very

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they're also very passionate you can

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just sense that the person needed to get

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this story out and that counts for a lot

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so um those books I I mean that's almost

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a genre of book um that's not one one

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person so yes and you know it's

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difficult cuz I who's credible and who's

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not in this field you know there's a so

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you're if you're in these waters right

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you're you're expected or you should be

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familiar with let's say many hundreds of

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cases you know and some of those are

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gonna lead you down a blind alley and

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some of them are gonna be legit and some

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of them are gonna be almost legit and

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some little detail might get mixed up

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and when you're dealing with especially

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the experience of abduction you're

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talking about experiences that are often

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stage-managed by the by whatever

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whatever the contacting energies the

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nonhuman energies you know sort of

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behind the curtain there's

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stage-managing stuff and they can mess

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with your memory so it's a mess to try

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to sort out so it's very easy to say oh

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this one detail doesn't fit right this

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person said this and that and but it's

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like if they're if they're if memories

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are being messed with it's it becomes

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extremely difficult so you have some

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researchers

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again I mean how all of us do it I'm

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sure I've done it and I've done it I've

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said it I've come back later and said I

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think I was out of line on this one I

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think I was mistaken some my own

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experiences I wrote about him and then

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afterwards I'm like you know I don't I'm

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not gonna put too much credence in that

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one anymore so yes so parsing out who's

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legit and who's not and who's credible

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and who's not is often very difficult

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because you can get a you can get a

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sincere investigator that gets pulled

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off track well so you know that's

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actually pretty interesting because this

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is the nature of contact in general or

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interacting with in interdimensional

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whatever you want to call whatever that

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state is where they are from so it's so

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different and so vastly different from

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our reality that it's so difficult to

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bridge those those gaps to make some

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sense out of it to be able to convey it

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properly because otherwise you just

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sound like a nutcase you know and it

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takes it takes time yeah it takes time

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to break things apart get some more

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context at least in my opinion to then

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finally be able to use an analogy at

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least to make some kind of connection to

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way conveys you know to convey that

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point across yeah I mean so if you're

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dealing with something absurd going to a

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I mean if you talk to someone at a UFO

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conference they're beautiful do you

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confront people telling you the wildest

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stories the strangest stories and

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and I have to sit and listen and it's

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you know it's very easy to be judgmental

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and dismissive but if the if the

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phenomena is as weird as it appears to

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be then you should expect weird stories

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I feel like I'm in a place where I'm

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very very cautious like I feel like I

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can say I use words like it seems what

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especially am i writing it seems and

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perhaps and one might consider you know

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like I'm always giving myself a way out

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because I simply don't know that the

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facts of this stuff and so you have to

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if you're speculating you have to say

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like I'm speculating or if I have a

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an idea what it might be you have to use

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the word might because it's because it's

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too it's too difficult to to latch onto

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these these these these heart in fact

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hard and fast rules and some people talk

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like that they just talk like it's a

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hard and fast experience and and you

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have to you know take a half a step back

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and still listen to their story well I

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think especially when when someone does

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come out and share a story and others

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are so interested in this they because I

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realized especially in my own

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development you tend to hang on to

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things you know when someone says

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something's also said this and so so

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send that so I think especially if

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someone is going to go public to share

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their story

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it's it's kind of nerve-wracking because

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not that it's not true it's just that

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there's so many people that constantly

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didn't want to say okay so what's next

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okay what happened next you know it's a

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girl well I'm sorry I don't know that

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anyone that I've ever dis talked to you

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that had contact or has been even a

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lifelong contact he that had a some

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somehow a way to control when it's going

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to happen it usually happens at the

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convenient time sometimes at the

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inconvenient time and the information is

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exchanged

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whatever concepts are conveyed and the

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experience is over you know and and

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that's what's so difficult so most like

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a I don't know like this what's the next

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theory what's the next I don't hate to

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use the word conspiracy you know it's

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like what else is coming going out there

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you know and and it's like I'm like I'm

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I don't know you know I have to wait

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whatever I'm conveyed this was conveyed

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and sometimes it's months if not even

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years until the next information comes

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you know they all think there's somehow

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the the red phone line you know direct

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contact to et and said oh whoa hold on

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let me just pick up the line now of

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course in channeling there's there is

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that ability but most of us either

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choose not to go that route or just are

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not having that experience I mean there

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are some like Bashar I'm sure you've

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heard about it and I just

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the channeling information has changed

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my life because it got me where I needed

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to go it gave me the answers I needed by

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what it required is the actual

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physically going after it instead of

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doing what I was doing previously which

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was just theorizing you know and

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connecting dots like a conspiracy theory

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wouldn't know well there's this race and

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there's that race and this race is

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better than the other race and these are

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more advanced technologically while

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these are more what you know have this

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wisdom and you know it's just silly now

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thinking back on how I first approached

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the subject because there's so much more

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to that a deeper understanding and

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explanation I think

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yeah yeah I mean that's it's a it's a

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it's a complex mysterious subject and it

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in it it um and we want to simplify it

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certainly Hollywood wants to simplify it

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you know it's a very it's a very my

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sense is that I talked about this great

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length in the first book the messengers

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that the experience itself wants to

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orchestrate itself specifically to the

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individual experiencing it so that these

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events will and that's been in my case

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in particular where it felt like the

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clues were laid out in front of me and I

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was the only person who could decipher

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those clues some of the stuff involved

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maps it involves sleeping outside it

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involved you know these things like

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archetypal spirit animals and stuff like

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that these things were like presented to

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me in in like a literal context it

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wasn't like a metaphoric context I was

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presented with these animals with owls

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and it was um and and who engineered

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that that that life path for those few

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I mean they must had control of time of

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my perceptions of my you know that they

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they were orchestrating these things

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specifically for me so I would untangle

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these knots and it's my sense and Isaac

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and I so I can't know but boy that's

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what it felt like yes it's it's hard to

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know the grander plan it's easy to

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speculate and it's easy for people boy

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you go to UFO conferences people will

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tell you the grander plan they will tell

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you and then they'll listen and it's

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actually pretty convincing and then

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you'll step away and you start a

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conversation with someone else and

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they'll tell you the grander plan and

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it's pretty convincing too but it's not

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the same plan that the other and then so

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two people tell very convincing stories

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and then you get up to fifty people tell

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very convincing stories no there none of

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00:22:04,730 --> 00:22:02,700
them are aligned some themes are aligned

539
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,740
certainly a change is coming that's a

540
00:22:07,910 --> 00:22:06,480
theme that I get all the time and

541
00:22:09,470 --> 00:22:07,920
everyone mentions that some people will

542
00:22:10,940 --> 00:22:09,480
tell you what the changes and then other

543
00:22:12,140 --> 00:22:10,950
people will tell you and they'll won't

544
00:22:14,740 --> 00:22:12,150
quite tell you the same thing that the

545
00:22:17,180 --> 00:22:14,750
first person did so yeah we're we're

546
00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:17,190
swimming in water is full of I mean

547
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:19,370
we're it's all human perception is is is

548
00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:22,500
impacting how the message gets hurt and

549
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:25,320
I and I'm I'm far enough down the path

550
00:22:30,530 --> 00:22:26,850
at this point to recognize that and not

551
00:22:36,620 --> 00:22:30,540
get too emotionally sucked into the to

552
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:36,630
the UM to the human editorializing so

553
00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:39,210
Mike let me didn't ask you a little bit

554
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:41,460
more about two outs particularly about

555
00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:48,090
archetypes so for example its same what

556
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:51,390
about a person that let's say witnesses

557
00:22:57,980 --> 00:22:55,530
now and they are not too familiar with

558
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:57,990
what the owl represents or what the owl

559
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:01,440
stands for what is your take on that

560
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:06,840
that regarding for example having now or

561
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:09,090
being used as a screen memory to someone

562
00:23:13,910 --> 00:23:11,610
that as a human might not have that

563
00:23:15,650 --> 00:23:13,920
understanding of knowledge is it to make

564
00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:15,660
him go look it up to see what the hell

565
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:17,820
would represent do you see what I'm

566
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:22,230
saying like what would know yeah so yes

567
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:23,400
so someone sees an owl at a

568
00:23:26,150 --> 00:23:25,080
highly-charged moments now now I'm at

569
00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:26,160
the point now in the my

570
00:23:30,140 --> 00:23:27,900
research where yes the core of my

571
00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:30,150
research is the UFO thing owls and the

572
00:23:35,570 --> 00:23:32,310
UFO thing how they connect but there's

573
00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:35,580
also these other things that the owls

574
00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:38,310
and death owls and meditation people

575
00:23:46,340 --> 00:23:41,880
taking mushrooms owls in shamanic

576
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:46,350
initiation soap owls at highly charged

577
00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:50,370
moments there's a George Hansen a

578
00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:52,110
researcher does research into the

579
00:23:57,050 --> 00:23:54,900
trickster cause this these moments in

580
00:23:59,480 --> 00:23:57,060
life Antti structure you know people and

581
00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:59,490
people at times of life spiritual

582
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:01,020
awakening I'll show up at the time of

583
00:24:08,420 --> 00:24:06,260
I have a few where they show up at

584
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:08,430
near-death experiences but not many but

585
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:09,810
but they certainly show up at the time

586
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:11,460
of actually when they show up is usually

587
00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:14,850
after someone dies so your question was

588
00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:17,070
people see an owl

589
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:19,950
how did they decipher this deeper

590
00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:21,810
archetypal meaning and one level they

591
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:24,390
don't need to write so you like you go

592
00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:26,130
to the movie theater and you see Star

593
00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:28,710
Wars and you see Luke Skywalker and he's

594
00:24:33,910 --> 00:24:31,230
got his lightsaber and he's you know

595
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:33,920
fighting the Empire and then

596
00:24:39,550 --> 00:24:37,610
while you're watching a movie with Luke

597
00:24:42,150 --> 00:24:39,560
Skywalker no but you're seeing a hero

598
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,160
you're seeing an archetype of the hero

599
00:24:47,850 --> 00:24:45,120
so you

600
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:47,860
see an owl at a highly charged moment in

601
00:24:52,590 --> 00:24:51,370
your life you're you are seeing a bird

602
00:24:53,790 --> 00:24:52,600
with big eyes I mean they're out there

603
00:24:55,140 --> 00:24:53,800
there's lots of birds and there's lots

604
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:55,150
of owls they're out there you can hear

605
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:56,530
them they hoot and people see them all

606
00:24:59,070 --> 00:24:57,130
the time

607
00:25:00,660 --> 00:24:59,080
nothing mysterious about that but if you

608
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,670
see it in a moment of highly-charged

609
00:25:04,890 --> 00:25:02,080
experience in your life a UFO sighting

610
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:04,900
or the time of using a parent the only

611
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,959
then I feel like you're you're tapping

612
00:25:15,409 --> 00:25:14,159
into an archetype and an archetype is

613
00:25:16,699 --> 00:25:15,419
that's a tough word right that's one of

614
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:16,709
those words that philosophy students

615
00:25:21,619 --> 00:25:17,940
stay up at night in their dormitory

616
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:21,629
trying to argue what what is and it's

617
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:22,679
tough to get like a little off the

618
00:25:27,810 --> 00:25:24,329
street to sentence definition but an

619
00:25:27,820 --> 00:25:31,160
a symbol

620
00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:35,200
thing that has a

621
00:25:39,580 --> 00:25:37,240
elective meaning in our society

622
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:39,590
something that that has a deeper meaning

623
00:25:49,169 --> 00:25:42,880
that is somehow embedded in our DNA

624
00:25:53,049 --> 00:25:49,179
right so the hero the Chrome the maiden

625
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:53,059
these are the owl you know the eagle

626
00:25:58,539 --> 00:25:55,730
these are archetypes the Sun the moon

627
00:26:00,940 --> 00:25:58,549
these are archetypes they have a deeper

628
00:26:03,010 --> 00:26:00,950
meaning inside right so that the people

629
00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:03,020
who made those movies they said okay

630
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:04,220
here's let's may I have a movie like oh

631
00:26:07,180 --> 00:26:05,330
here's a scary see and they're out in

632
00:26:09,010 --> 00:26:07,190
the woods okay let's you know what let's

633
00:26:10,210 --> 00:26:09,020
find the sound effect for an owl hooting

634
00:26:12,399 --> 00:26:10,220
we'll just put that in there hoot hoot

635
00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:12,409
hoot and they're doing it like oh it's

636
00:26:17,529 --> 00:26:15,500
it's a scary movie but they're including

637
00:26:20,889 --> 00:26:17,539
an archetype an archetype the Owls

638
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,899
archetype in that case would be so the

639
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:23,360
mythology of the owl yeah and if I'm

640
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:25,250
going way off course just just rein me

641
00:26:30,970 --> 00:26:27,529
back in but the mythology of the owl and

642
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:30,980
the folklore the owl which came from the

643
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:32,690
fact that the owls can see into the

644
00:26:36,850 --> 00:26:35,210
night make the Owls can see and fly into

645
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,860
the darkness now we live in a time with

646
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:39,200
electric light bulbs and our world is

647
00:26:41,470 --> 00:26:40,130
totally different than it would have

648
00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:41,480
been a few hundred years ago or even a

649
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:43,870
150 years ago

650
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,370
owls can see into the darkness they can

651
00:26:51,250 --> 00:26:48,799
see into the night ancient man knew that

652
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:51,260
the same way that we know that it must

653
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:53,330
have been magical to ancient man we know

654
00:27:00,279 --> 00:26:58,490
about like the rods and cones in the

655
00:27:01,779 --> 00:27:00,289
eyeball of the owl and stuff like that

656
00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:01,789
so we can kind of say oh here's how it's

657
00:27:04,810 --> 00:27:03,110
working and this is why they have big

658
00:27:06,060 --> 00:27:04,820
eyes and so they the ancient man just

659
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:06,070
knew that they could fly in the night

660
00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:09,710
from that came a mythology that the

661
00:27:15,070 --> 00:27:13,100
Alcon fly into another realm the land of

662
00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:15,080
the ancestors the land is dead the Land

663
00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:15,830
of the Gods

664
00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:18,980
and then

665
00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:20,900
the next phase that have to return and

666
00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:21,980
if it's returning it's bringing a

667
00:27:27,940 --> 00:27:25,150
message so what that message might be is

668
00:27:30,299 --> 00:27:27,950
that's up for debate but I'm saying that

669
00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:30,309
the core of the mythology is that the

670
00:27:35,530 --> 00:27:33,320
owls travel to a different realm come

671
00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:35,540
back with a message now turn the clock

672
00:27:41,140 --> 00:27:38,840
forward to just recently the Harry

673
00:27:44,350 --> 00:27:41,150
Potter the most popular series of books

674
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,360
in the history of publication has harry

675
00:27:49,419 --> 00:27:46,880
has an owl is pet owl delivers the mail

676
00:27:52,030 --> 00:27:49,429
it has an owl that delivers the mail it

677
00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:52,040
is perfect it is like perfect it's an

678
00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:54,260
ancient I've I have no idea whether the

679
00:27:59,020 --> 00:27:56,870
author JK Rowling like knew that and

680
00:28:00,370 --> 00:27:59,030
said I'm gonna purposely put an owl to

681
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:00,380
deliver the mail because the owl was the

682
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:02,330
archetype of the messenger from another

683
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:04,970
realm it would be better I think it's

684
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,809
more fun if she did it she just intuited

685
00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:10,640
that she just reached into the ether and

686
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:12,350
pulled out that archetype and put it

687
00:28:17,289 --> 00:28:14,000
folded into the creative process of

688
00:28:20,049 --> 00:28:17,299
writing the book yes the owl delivers

689
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:20,059
the mail it's perfect now JK Rowling has

690
00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:23,210
owl writing her name o WL shows up right

691
00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:25,820
in her name now that is people I've get

692
00:28:28,690 --> 00:28:27,470
criticized a lot well that could be you

693
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:28,700
can't go without you can't go down that

694
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,520
road but there are these little threads

695
00:28:35,770 --> 00:28:33,520
they're not they're just little

696
00:28:37,810 --> 00:28:35,780
spiderweb of a clue and you can pull on

697
00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:37,820
those and it kind of doesn't really lead

698
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:39,230
anywhere but I feel that those spiderweb

699
00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:43,610
clues are important too so your question

700
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:46,070
was if we snow a screen memory of

701
00:28:48,850 --> 00:28:46,850
something totally up it's totally

702
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,860
different and if anyone is watching a

703
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:50,720
UFO podcast or something like this or a

704
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,910
video like this that they should be

705
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,320
up-to-date with what a screen memory is

706
00:28:58,500 --> 00:28:56,000
what's very common as people will drive

707
00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:00,150
turn a corner and there's a giant four

708
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:02,230
foot tall owl on the road and then they

709
00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:03,730
get they see it and it's a little

710
00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:04,900
jarring and upsetting and then they're

711
00:29:07,409 --> 00:29:06,040
driving home and they get home and they

712
00:29:08,370 --> 00:29:07,419
they're looking at their clock and it's

713
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:08,380
like well I should have been home at

714
00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:09,490
midnight it's 2:00 in the morning

715
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:11,380
I just two hours in missing time why am

716
00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:14,410
i late doesn't make any sense under

717
00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:16,630
hypnosis they have no therapist I'm I'm

718
00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:18,100
using this as a general kind of

719
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:20,230
storyline but it's stuff I've heard many

720
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:22,090
times the hypnotherapist will say well

721
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,210
describe this owl on the road and the

722
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:26,799
person will say well it's bald and has

723
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:28,510
big black eyes and it's got a skinny

724
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:30,130
body and it's wearing a tight-fitting

725
00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:32,290
shiny spacesuit and I don't think it's

726
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:34,870
an owl so the implication is that the

727
00:29:40,770 --> 00:29:38,020
UFO occupant through whether

728
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:40,780
technological means or psychic means can

729
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:43,570
project an image of an owl into the mind

730
00:29:47,610 --> 00:29:46,090
of the observer so the observer instead

731
00:29:51,090 --> 00:29:47,620
of seeing the frightening image of a of

732
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:51,100
a gray alien on the road they see the

733
00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:54,490
image of an owl and that image would be

734
00:29:57,659 --> 00:29:55,870
a so now as something yes you would see

735
00:29:59,640 --> 00:29:57,669
an owl tonight four-foot-tall hours is

736
00:30:02,180 --> 00:29:59,650
there's no owls in the world that are

737
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:02,190
four foot tall so we're seeing something

738
00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:04,450
that shouldn't exist and they kind of

739
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:05,950
just brush it off I've talked to many

740
00:30:09,270 --> 00:30:07,570
people who just gonna go yeah that

741
00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:09,280
myself four foot tall owl on the road

742
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:11,830
and like it seems big and they don't

743
00:30:14,669 --> 00:30:13,570
take that next step to say it's

744
00:30:17,070 --> 00:30:14,679
impossibly large

745
00:30:18,270 --> 00:30:17,080
it can't happen so something is going on

746
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:18,280
it's tells me there's a very powerful

747
00:30:22,650 --> 00:30:20,370
form of mind control at play here

748
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:22,660
because it did buy that case you know

749
00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:25,510
why because it makes you wonder why

750
00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:27,160
particularly now there has to be

751
00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:29,710
something that's the collective

752
00:30:34,169 --> 00:30:31,960
subconscious because why not a deer or a

753
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:34,179
cow it is a deer here they are cows

754
00:30:38,010 --> 00:30:35,710
people don't see deers and cows and

755
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:38,020
horses and and firemen and clowns and

756
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,520
Jesus and there's lots of things that

757
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:40,960
show up dead relatives and things like

758
00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:42,010
that people will see these things

759
00:30:47,250 --> 00:30:45,040
raccoons are very common speak squirrels

760
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:47,260
are actually pretty common to be able to

761
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:48,940
say I have a four foot tall squirrel was

762
00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:52,000
in my bedroom and boy that one's hard to

763
00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:54,580
that's you know so I think that was in

764
00:31:00,000 --> 00:30:56,710
one of the movies too if I remember

765
00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:00,010
correctly I think him and the miniseries

766
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:02,620
taken they had clowns they had clowns in

767
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:03,580
big squirrels I think they're big

768
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:05,770
squirrels in the room right big spender

769
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:07,929
right but you John even though they were

770
00:31:11,910 --> 00:31:09,940
kind of it that was that's not what her

771
00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:11,920
12 years ago it's all the

772
00:31:17,220 --> 00:31:14,860
the special effects were a little corny

773
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,230
er so the little computer-generated

774
00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:19,360
squirrel looked a little I baby wouldn't

775
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:21,100
look so great by today's you know a

776
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:24,430
decade later through our eyes but yes so

777
00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:25,810
they and then that happened because the

778
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:27,790
script writers were had they just were

779
00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:29,410
going through UFO abduction research

780
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:30,220
they were looking at the literature

781
00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:31,840
those stories are out there so they like

782
00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:34,150
the the screenwriter was totally correct

783
00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:37,000
they stuck in something that you know

784
00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:41,230
shows up in the real life literature now

785
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:44,470
I can't so we talk to UFO brand I have

786
00:31:49,020 --> 00:31:46,330
I've talked about Hopkins I've asked him

787
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:49,030
I said why all's I have to asked David

788
00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:52,810
Jacobs Wiles and and they'll say it's

789
00:31:58,670 --> 00:31:55,420
because I sort of look like aliens right

790
00:32:03,700 --> 00:31:58,680
they have big eyes you see them at night

791
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:06,340
my my deeper sense is that the which I

792
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:08,510
can't prove but it's a sense is that

793
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:10,730
their they are choosing the owl exactly

794
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:11,930
as you said they're choosing the owl

795
00:32:15,370 --> 00:32:13,610
because it has an archetypal meaning and

796
00:32:18,550 --> 00:32:15,380
that archetypal meaning will tap in

797
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:18,560
somehow deeper one of the one of the

798
00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:21,950
things that shows up in the lore of the

799
00:32:28,930 --> 00:32:25,670
of the we talked about I've mentioned it

800
00:32:33,460 --> 00:32:31,540
shamanic initiation someone goes through

801
00:32:37,810 --> 00:32:33,470
the shamanic initiation process

802
00:32:40,570 --> 00:32:37,820
I take years they're gonna Pete those

803
00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:40,580
people see owls don't ask well a Carol

804
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:43,780
yeah it's happening for magical reasons

805
00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:46,250
because the universe is presenting these

806
00:32:50,380 --> 00:32:48,950
people with these archetypal animals so

807
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:50,390
someone's going to shamanic initiation

808
00:32:54,970 --> 00:32:53,330
they're gonna see an owl someone's

809
00:32:56,590 --> 00:32:54,980
having a UFO contact experience they

810
00:32:58,090 --> 00:32:56,600
might see an owl I mean there's these

811
00:32:59,470 --> 00:32:58,100
aren't hard and fast rules but these are

812
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,480
these are the patterns that are emerging

813
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,160
so so yes so you're you're correct in in

814
00:33:08,550 --> 00:33:06,880
saying that the there's a deeper meaning

815
00:33:10,050 --> 00:33:08,560
to the owl so when someone sees it yes

816
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:10,060
you could go online and google it that's

817
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,600
new didn't have that 10 fit 20 years ago

818
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:16,480
and then it turned the clock back a few

819
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:19,770
hundred years ago if you're a young

820
00:33:26,910 --> 00:33:22,930
native living in North Dakota 400 years

821
00:33:28,410 --> 00:33:26,920
ago and you have all these experience

822
00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:28,420
with owls you just kind of walk to the

823
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:30,280
tepee at the edge of the village and ask

824
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,770
the shaman shaman may the shaman in one

825
00:33:35,220 --> 00:33:33,760
village may give you a different answer

826
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:35,230
than the shaman in another village but

827
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:38,290
the shaman will look within and they'll

828
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:40,510
ask questions like they won't ask

829
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:42,910
questions like a UFO sighting which was

830
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:44,610
the UFO they don't can't you know like

831
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:46,690
they'll say what was going on in your

832
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:48,130
life leading up to this owl sighting

833
00:33:52,020 --> 00:33:50,290
these all sightings what's changed in

834
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:52,030
your life after so those are the kind of

835
00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:54,130
questions I ask so once again I give you

836
00:33:59,010 --> 00:33:56,470
a very long answer now that's alright

837
00:33:59,670 --> 00:33:59,020
I'm glad you're giving as much info as

838
00:34:02,280 --> 00:33:59,680
possible

839
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:02,290
so would you would you suspect that

840
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:05,050
based on what what might be coming

841
00:34:08,970 --> 00:34:06,850
regarding contact and disclosure in

842
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,980
general that the whole point of all

843
00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:11,200
these different people haven't been

844
00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:14,710
shown you know things like you have and

845
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:16,750
other experiences to be able to just

846
00:34:22,619 --> 00:34:19,210
come out and kind of just establish a

847
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:22,629
base base library of knowledge so that

848
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:24,790
when things ramp up even more there's

849
00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:26,500
some kind of reference for the rest of

850
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:29,350
us to be able to just go and say oh okay

851
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:31,570
someone has experienced that I can read

852
00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:34,450
up on it and and and look at it and so

853
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:36,190
they don't have to immediately jump to

854
00:34:41,129 --> 00:34:38,610
the conclusion that they're going nuts

855
00:34:44,010 --> 00:34:41,139
this is very interesting it's we're in

856
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:44,020
an age of Google and and and online

857
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:46,690
searches so I'm writing and speaking

858
00:34:55,980 --> 00:34:50,110
about owls and UFOs so anyone on earth

859
00:34:58,740 --> 00:34:55,990
not anyone I mean anyone with access

860
00:35:00,750 --> 00:34:58,750
to it to the internet if they've had an

861
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:00,760
experience with an owl in a UFO there I

862
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:02,770
am one or two mouse clicks away they're

863
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,780
gonna find me you type in all UFO you're

864
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:07,119
gonna find me and then I'm the first

865
00:35:11,860 --> 00:35:08,410
thing in the list and then I'm the next

866
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,390
and so what's been happening is I've

867
00:35:16,660 --> 00:35:15,200
been getting stories a lot of them like

868
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,670
a lot of them like so much I can't I

869
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,040
can't like they're just like I wish I

870
00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:21,200
they're wonderful stories and I and I

871
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:22,550
want to answer every one with a

872
00:35:28,030 --> 00:35:25,310
thoughtful reply and I just can't I try

873
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,720
we are dealing with an era where in many

874
00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:33,920
of these letters begin oh my god I saw

875
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:36,590
your online video or I googled UFOs and

876
00:35:39,970 --> 00:35:38,510
owls in Thunder sight or I read a short

877
00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:39,980
essay you wrote a line and I quartered

878
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:43,670
your book and and I always thought I was

879
00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:45,320
crazy none of this made sense I couldn't

880
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:47,630
tell anyone and now in your your

881
00:35:56,140 --> 00:35:50,890
confirming what I my direct experience

882
00:35:57,609 --> 00:35:56,150
and and I had that same thing I didn't I

883
00:35:59,650 --> 00:35:57,619
you know what that's not true I so when

884
00:36:01,960 --> 00:35:59,660
I was having initially having my owl

885
00:36:03,940 --> 00:36:01,970
experiences in 2006 there was plenty of

886
00:36:05,099 --> 00:36:03,950
references in the UFO literature to owls

887
00:36:09,580 --> 00:36:05,109
and UFOs

888
00:36:12,430 --> 00:36:09,590
you know big thick book would have a few

889
00:36:14,050 --> 00:36:12,440
sentences or a paragraph so I had a lot

890
00:36:15,099 --> 00:36:14,060
of big thick books on my bookshelf at a

891
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:15,109
certain point and then a lot of

892
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,730
references to owls and I kind of tried

893
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:18,560
to try to try to link those all together

894
00:36:26,410 --> 00:36:23,320
so

895
00:36:28,210 --> 00:36:26,420
people are having these experiences and

896
00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:28,220
there could be anything there's other

897
00:36:31,330 --> 00:36:30,080
things in the you know there's all kinds

898
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,340
of things in the UFO literature that

899
00:36:36,490 --> 00:36:33,200
there's a certain character in the field

900
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:36,500
that's specializing something I just

901
00:36:39,820 --> 00:36:38,390
happen to be specializing the whole

902
00:36:41,350 --> 00:36:39,830
thing and then I'm certain there's other

903
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:41,360
people out there who are specializing in

904
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:45,730
in other aspects and they're getting

905
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:48,050
people contacting them with very

906
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:50,960
specific questions Mike has there been

907
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:53,210
something in your research that maybe

908
00:36:57,730 --> 00:36:54,920
something that came up that you haven't

909
00:37:00,610 --> 00:36:57,740
written a lot about or something most

910
00:37:03,340 --> 00:37:00,620
recent that might have I guess happened

911
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:03,350
to worm it made you was had you start

912
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,090
looking into what you've been

913
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:08,480
researching in a different way

914
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:11,400
well I did a hypno I did a hypnosis

915
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:14,640
session I did actually - this is a this

916
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:17,820
is a I did two hypnosis sessions one was

917
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,220
in the fall of 2017 with Mary Rodwell

918
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:22,560
and that was a little bit we tried to

919
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:23,880
cover a lot and we had a lot of things

920
00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:25,020
in the checklist right you sit

921
00:37:28,220 --> 00:37:27,060
beforehand and and the hypnotherapist is

922
00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:28,230
what do you want to cover me like well

923
00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:29,550
let's cover these ten things and then

924
00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:30,750
she writes them all down and you jump

925
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:31,830
around a little bit in the thing that's

926
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:35,010
it's and then and this story emerged was

927
00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:37,170
a very emotional story that emerged and

928
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:39,750
it was a little bit phonetic and mixed

929
00:37:43,070 --> 00:37:41,640
up for me to try to try to make sense of

930
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:43,080
it in the visuals that were kind of

931
00:37:46,850 --> 00:37:44,400
appearing before me and the emotions

932
00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:46,860
that were welling up a year later a

933
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:48,980
little under a year later I went and saw

934
00:37:53,330 --> 00:37:51,510
Yvonne Smith in California in Los

935
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:53,340
Angeles and had a hypnosis session with

936
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:54,900
her and we had one thing on the list

937
00:38:01,350 --> 00:37:58,140
this one event so he looked into that

938
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:02,520
it was you know what it felt like it

939
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:04,210
felt like I was watching a rerun you

940
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:05,200
know when you get like to get all of a

941
00:38:08,610 --> 00:38:06,400
sudden you're like oh crap this is the

942
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:08,620
same story on TV I just saw it Simon for

943
00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:09,850
seeing this que year ago and now I have

944
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:11,740
to watch it here it is again and just it

945
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:14,770
was it was a rerun it was the same set

946
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:16,150
of images it was the same set of

947
00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:18,490
emotions and the story that emerged was

948
00:38:25,650 --> 00:38:20,020
there was an event where I was sleeping

949
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:25,660
outside in 2010 and I've called this my

950
00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:28,200
confirmation event and a bunch of things

951
00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:30,520
connect to that event in a way that's

952
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:32,590
kind of blew my mind enough that I was

953
00:38:39,060 --> 00:38:36,760
like oh I'm done with denial I'm

954
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:39,070
treating this as real now and I was it

955
00:38:42,330 --> 00:38:40,450
happened while I was sleeping outside I

956
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:42,340
don't think I made that plea at night I

957
00:38:44,970 --> 00:38:43,810
actually don't think I made that plea at

958
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:44,980
night it would have been perfect if I

959
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:45,850
did that when I talked about earlier

960
00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:48,910
like asking the universe Rael um and I

961
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:49,900
woke up in the nola night there was a

962
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:53,440
big round structure on a hillside and I

963
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,730
looked up at this thing and I said you

964
00:39:00,780 --> 00:38:56,560
know that looks just like a landed

965
00:39:02,010 --> 00:39:00,790
flying saucer and I and I kind of even

966
00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:02,020
like lied there and I kind of said like

967
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:03,550
if it's a flying saucer I would know all

968
00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:04,810
right I would feel it inside I would

969
00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:06,790
feel some intuitive I would feel some

970
00:39:10,590 --> 00:39:09,430
intuitive knowing I felt nothing I

971
00:39:11,790 --> 00:39:10,600
rolled over went to sleep I woke up a

972
00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:11,800
few more times that night one time was a

973
00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:14,020
coyote howling right near my head like

974
00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:16,180
loud I never saw it like I've slept out

975
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:18,070
a lot out west this is in southern Utah

976
00:39:23,110 --> 00:39:21,290
in the desert

977
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,120
and I never saw it it was loud and then

978
00:39:26,410 --> 00:39:25,040
another time I was um I woke up that

979
00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:26,420
night and there was a bright light

980
00:39:29,499 --> 00:39:27,950
behind a bush

981
00:39:30,849 --> 00:39:29,509
it was like white sir brightly being a

982
00:39:33,069 --> 00:39:30,859
bush there shouldn't be and I kind of

983
00:39:37,630 --> 00:39:33,079
set up how why I went back to sleep I

984
00:39:39,819 --> 00:39:37,640
don't know but I did so um I've ended up

985
00:39:41,859 --> 00:39:39,829
looking up online I went and ever going

986
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:41,869
back to that site there's no big round

987
00:39:47,289 --> 00:39:45,680
house in that Hilton we looked on maps I

988
00:39:49,509 --> 00:39:47,299
went back to the site there's no big

989
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:49,519
round house up on that hilltop so in the

990
00:39:53,799 --> 00:39:52,130
hypnosis session I'm sleeping outside

991
00:39:56,049 --> 00:39:53,809
and the hypnotherapist

992
00:39:57,999 --> 00:39:56,059
but both Mary and the same story emerged

993
00:40:00,729 --> 00:39:58,009
essentially with Marion and Yvonne and

994
00:40:01,930 --> 00:40:00,739
I'm like flying there and I'm looking at

995
00:40:05,170 --> 00:40:01,940
the big house and all of a sudden I'm

996
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:05,180
like I'm out I'm out I'm not I'm I think

997
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:06,529
I'm looking down at this I'm looking

998
00:40:11,470 --> 00:40:09,920
down at something and then they're like

999
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:11,480
okay you're out of where are you and I

1000
00:40:13,989 --> 00:40:12,650
said well I think I'm still in a

1001
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:13,999
sleeping bag but now I'm looking down at

1002
00:40:16,930 --> 00:40:14,930
this wrong structure I'm like hovering

1003
00:40:18,729 --> 00:40:16,940
above it and they're like okay what

1004
00:40:20,529 --> 00:40:18,739
happens next and then there's this kind

1005
00:40:22,269 --> 00:40:20,539
of and all of a sudden I'm in a hallway

1006
00:40:24,220 --> 00:40:22,279
I'm in this hallway and I'm walking

1007
00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:24,230
around this curved hallway and I'm

1008
00:40:29,950 --> 00:40:27,230
immediately aware I'm six foot tall and

1009
00:40:33,729 --> 00:40:29,960
I'm immediately aware that like I'm

1010
00:40:35,799 --> 00:40:33,739
short I'm not tall I'm short and I'm

1011
00:40:36,789 --> 00:40:35,809
walking along and I look to my right now

1012
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:36,799
look to my left and they're a little bit

1013
00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:38,569
of guiding from them but most this was

1014
00:40:42,970 --> 00:40:40,430
just coming in a sec - did these little

1015
00:40:44,259 --> 00:40:42,980
snapshots and there's a gray alien to my

1016
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:44,269
right and a gray alien to my left I

1017
00:40:47,289 --> 00:40:45,410
looked out of myself and I got these

1018
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,299
long fingers and the skinny legs and

1019
00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:49,599
this tight little suit on and I'm like

1020
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:52,460
I'm a gray alien and it felt like it

1021
00:40:58,989 --> 00:40:56,089
felt like I came out of my body and I

1022
00:41:01,359 --> 00:40:58,999
got like like there was a like a suit a

1023
00:41:04,269 --> 00:41:01,369
rubber suit hanging in a closet and I

1024
00:41:06,549 --> 00:41:04,279
went into this suit all of a sudden suit

1025
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,559
was animated and I was I like this suit

1026
00:41:12,190 --> 00:41:09,440
is waiting for me I got sucked into it

1027
00:41:13,479 --> 00:41:12,200
and I was animated as a gray alien and

1028
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:13,489
then I went and Rama next thing I know

1029
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,230
I'm in this conference room and this is

1030
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,640
weird because this is a thing where

1031
00:41:19,569 --> 00:41:17,839
doesn't make any sense I'm in a

1032
00:41:22,839 --> 00:41:19,579
conference room it looks exactly like

1033
00:41:24,549 --> 00:41:22,849
the conference room in a tacky Motel in

1034
00:41:27,279 --> 00:41:24,559
like Muncie Indiana right it's got

1035
00:41:31,450 --> 00:41:27,289
crappy ugly brown carpeting and it's got

1036
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:31,460
beige walls and and fluorescent-lit in

1037
00:41:37,059 --> 00:41:35,089
it and there's a table like a table you

1038
00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:37,069
would get at Kmart and then be on the

1039
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:39,340
other side of it is

1040
00:41:43,830 --> 00:41:41,890
like between eight and ten they're

1041
00:41:45,330 --> 00:41:43,840
coming this I can't say much but grayed

1042
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:45,340
out like I can't remember much my

1043
00:41:49,650 --> 00:41:47,890
impression as it was gray aliens I never

1044
00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:49,660
really don't have any memory of seeing

1045
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:51,460
them truly but that was certainly my

1046
00:41:56,460 --> 00:41:53,950
impression and I'm standing up like a

1047
00:41:58,740 --> 00:41:56,470
tribunal or like a like a like a grand

1048
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,750
jury meeting or a court session or

1049
00:42:04,170 --> 00:41:59,920
something like that I'm like why am i

1050
00:42:06,570 --> 00:42:04,180
here and they're like you chose to be

1051
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:06,580
here what does that mean what's going on

1052
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:09,130
and they would go now is the time well

1053
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:12,730
why am I here you chose to be here you

1054
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:14,290
volunteered for this but what what's

1055
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:16,330
going on were like what now is the time

1056
00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:18,310
and I couldn't get past this this little

1057
00:42:23,070 --> 00:42:19,840
thing I was like stuck in this and all

1058
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:23,080
of a sudden I was like listen I was so

1059
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:26,370
emotional and I was like well I'm asleep

1060
00:42:30,930 --> 00:42:28,540
you never told me it was gonna be this

1061
00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:30,940
hard you never told me it was gonna be

1062
00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:32,470
this hard you've never told me about

1063
00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:33,790
sadness you never told me about

1064
00:42:37,170 --> 00:42:34,630
loneliness

1065
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,180
and it was so emotional and it was like

1066
00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:40,000
this is hard being here and no one told

1067
00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:42,220
me about it and they would say you

1068
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,860
volunteered for this you chose this and

1069
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:47,200
like but but you didn't tell me it would

1070
00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:49,930
be this hard and it just went around

1071
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:51,070
around then all of a sudden I'm like

1072
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:53,020
poof I'm out I'm not coming back in the

1073
00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:02,580
with a story that has these absurd

1074
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:05,740
elements the like looking at myself and

1075
00:43:10,620 --> 00:43:08,050
being a grey alien and then like being

1076
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,630
in a fake conference we know what it

1077
00:43:13,140 --> 00:43:11,680
felt like it felt like an you know when

1078
00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:13,150
you watch set it in it live and have the

1079
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,430
sets you know called a three wall set in

1080
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,960
filmmaking right so it's got two side

1081
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:18,880
walls in the back wall so I was in a

1082
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,530
three wall set it looked like I was on a

1083
00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:22,960
stage and Saturday Night Live in a cheap

1084
00:43:30,089 --> 00:43:25,420
set that took the set builders an hour

1085
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:34,410
so so I'm confronted with this story and

1086
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:36,370
I'm struggling with how to

1087
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:37,980
[Music]

1088
00:43:42,190 --> 00:43:39,770
you

1089
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:42,200
process it right so is it real it didn't

1090
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:44,870
feel real the emotions sure felt real

1091
00:43:49,810 --> 00:43:47,330
but the setting and the weirdness and

1092
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,820
the it felt it felt it felt normal it

1093
00:43:54,070 --> 00:43:51,200
that's why we almost to word it felt

1094
00:43:55,450 --> 00:43:54,080
normal and so someone asked me like you

1095
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,460
know are you taking it literally and I'm

1096
00:43:58,930 --> 00:43:57,440
like no I can't take it literally like I

1097
00:44:00,040 --> 00:43:58,940
can't and I said I actually said taking

1098
00:44:02,350 --> 00:44:00,050
it literally would be like trying to

1099
00:44:03,850 --> 00:44:02,360
balance a locomotive train on my nose

1100
00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:03,860
right because it would just squash me

1101
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:05,150
like the weight of this story would just

1102
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:09,440
squash me if I tried to like say ah it's

1103
00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:12,110
all true it's all literal it might be

1104
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:14,600
but boy I can't go there so you asked

1105
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:15,770
what's been going on recently I've been

1106
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:16,970
trying to process this and I've been

1107
00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:18,410
writing about this event I put it on my

1108
00:44:21,730 --> 00:44:19,940
blog quite recently within the last few

1109
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:21,740
weeks um even though it happened last

1110
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:26,210
August that has been tough to to to try

1111
00:44:30,430 --> 00:44:27,770
to make sense of yes so I told a very

1112
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:30,440
long story that was very very personal

1113
00:44:39,550 --> 00:44:35,450
for me and uh and hypnosis is a mess

1114
00:44:41,110 --> 00:44:39,560
right how do you like I just click click

1115
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:41,120
I get these little snippets I say these

1116
00:44:45,870 --> 00:44:43,970
things I feel these things could have

1117
00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:45,880
been well kind of welled up out of my

1118
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:48,680
unconsciousness it was I gotta say it

1119
00:44:53,530 --> 00:44:50,510
was strange that they exactly matched

1120
00:44:57,250 --> 00:44:53,540
the two events between the two hypnosis

1121
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:57,260
sessions so yes so there's that yes like

1122
00:44:59,410 --> 00:44:58,370
what's been going on with me recently

1123
00:45:01,180 --> 00:44:59,420
that's the one thing I've been

1124
00:45:03,490 --> 00:45:01,190
struggling with and working on I was

1125
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:03,500
very hesitant to talk about this since I

1126
00:45:07,630 --> 00:45:06,560
put it online I I it was the right thing

1127
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:07,640
to do I've been putting everything

1128
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:09,050
online and I'm kind of made it I was

1129
00:45:12,820 --> 00:45:11,630
dedicated a decade ago when I started

1130
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:12,830
the blog of putting that stuff online

1131
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:14,450
and sharing the stuff in a way that was

1132
00:45:18,130 --> 00:45:16,310
thoughtful and I and I I needed that

1133
00:45:20,890 --> 00:45:18,140
time to process it write it out in a way

1134
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:20,900
that didn't come out that came out that

1135
00:45:28,990 --> 00:45:24,290
felt honest so Mike can you possibly

1136
00:45:31,150 --> 00:45:29,000
share some stories regarding UFOs and/or

1137
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:31,160
aliens and outs that some people have

1138
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:32,960
shared with you or possibly something

1139
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:35,090
that's written in your book or books

1140
00:45:38,410 --> 00:45:36,650
that you say now I can't remember what

1141
00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:38,420
I've shared on your other talk when when

1142
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:40,190
I sat there in Arkansas in the chair

1143
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:42,050
there with you I shared a couple stories

1144
00:45:44,350 --> 00:45:43,040
and I'm just wanted I don't want to

1145
00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:44,360
repeat those but I cannot remember

1146
00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:46,280
exactly what I shared I sure the one

1147
00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:49,660
ought been that time and been in the

1148
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:53,150
driving home think you might have but

1149
00:45:59,590 --> 00:45:56,810
this should always new audience end ok

1150
00:46:02,770 --> 00:45:59,600
good as I guess so this is it this is

1151
00:46:05,380 --> 00:46:02,780
one I like because it's right ok so

1152
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:05,390
here's a typical one right so guys I've

1153
00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:06,650
got a fist handful of times

1154
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:11,390
someone's someone's this one guy was

1155
00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:14,990
camping outside he's at night this I

1156
00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:18,140
will lands on a top of a cactus actually

1157
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:19,310
he doesn't even notice it doesn't see it

1158
00:46:21,970 --> 00:46:20,480
there he's looking at the stars he's

1159
00:46:24,850 --> 00:46:21,980
marveling how beautiful it is he's with

1160
00:46:26,290 --> 00:46:24,860
a friend this in the desert at night

1161
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,300
there's all lanes on a cactus and

1162
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:28,400
they're like look at that now that's

1163
00:46:32,860 --> 00:46:30,710
really eerie owl flies off and then a

1164
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:32,870
triangle shaped craft flies over them

1165
00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:36,650
and and silently and hugs the landscape

1166
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:38,120
I used to met with him he was very

1167
00:46:41,110 --> 00:46:39,410
specific that it was hugging the

1168
00:46:42,610 --> 00:46:41,120
landscape in this very eerie way that

1169
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:42,620
didn't match any kind of conventional

1170
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:45,410
aircraft so the perfect right owl UFO

1171
00:46:53,490 --> 00:46:47,930
boom I get that a lot side by side

1172
00:46:56,530 --> 00:46:53,500
there's one woman who told a story she's

1173
00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:56,540
she's on her balconies she's in she's in

1174
00:47:00,110 --> 00:46:58,380
Brazil

1175
00:47:01,550 --> 00:47:00,120
and she's an apartment building at her

1176
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:01,560
balcony and there's this flying saucer

1177
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:03,960
this flies across the sky she's outside

1178
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:05,130
in a balcony and it goes beat and

1179
00:47:09,140 --> 00:47:06,510
there's like a building across the

1180
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:09,150
street from her and it flies behind the

1181
00:47:12,110 --> 00:47:10,920
building and it in so she's kind of

1182
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:12,120
turning and looking and waiting for it

1183
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:13,110
to come out the other side it doesn't

1184
00:47:19,820 --> 00:47:17,010
come out to the side she's like okay

1185
00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:19,830
guys what gives where are you and then

1186
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:21,060
boom boom right that moment to Alice

1187
00:47:24,310 --> 00:47:23,160
land on her deck and rebekah balcony and

1188
00:47:26,330 --> 00:47:24,320
lid there for the next month

1189
00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:26,340
they're real owls they're like living

1190
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:27,990
there they're eating theirs she's like

1191
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:30,060
they're eating and bringing mice and

1192
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:32,610
stuff like they're their deck and stuff

1193
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:35,310
those sound like real owls

1194
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:37,530
how does what does it mean how do you

1195
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:38,730
interpret that kind of stuff so here's

1196
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:40,260
one that that I mean those are very

1197
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:46,130
that's got UFO boom they're connected oh

1198
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:48,060
here's what I haven't talked told in a

1199
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:49,560
long time so there's a woman her name is

1200
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:53,460
Susan Kornacki and she this one my

1201
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:55,140
favorite stories in the first book is in

1202
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:57,180
a series I called back-to-back reports

1203
00:48:02,090 --> 00:48:00,660
she had told me like oh I've got a novel

1204
00:48:03,590 --> 00:48:02,100
story for you and it was like a year

1205
00:48:04,850 --> 00:48:03,600
like trying to get a hold of her trying

1206
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:04,860
to talk to her and finally we set aside

1207
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:06,270
a time and I talked to her on skype and

1208
00:48:11,410 --> 00:48:07,950
I recorded think gotta record it it's

1209
00:48:15,009 --> 00:48:11,420
amazing story so she is um

1210
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:15,019
with her daughter and her husband there

1211
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:18,650
was there now parted but there on very

1212
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:19,760
good terms with anyway at the time they

1213
00:48:29,470 --> 00:48:22,130
went to a Easter party that's Easter

1214
00:48:30,849 --> 00:48:29,480
Sunday and the the she'd she was at this

1215
00:48:33,069 --> 00:48:30,859
party all since she feels this a crazy

1216
00:48:34,750 --> 00:48:33,079
energy like running up her spine like

1217
00:48:36,579 --> 00:48:34,760
shooting she said it was like a Tesla

1218
00:48:39,370 --> 00:48:36,589
coil going off like crazy energy like

1219
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:39,380
running straight for spine and um just

1220
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:40,490
something weirds going on I gotta get

1221
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:42,170
out of here and I actually asked her

1222
00:48:44,890 --> 00:48:43,730
like does depositor Kundalini awakening

1223
00:48:46,059 --> 00:48:44,900
and she's smart enough and knows enough

1224
00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:46,069
of this stuff to know what I was asking

1225
00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:47,630
she said I don't think so no she just

1226
00:48:51,579 --> 00:48:48,920
kind of dismissed it sounds like a

1227
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:51,589
Kundalini awakening but she sorry but

1228
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:52,730
I'm just saying that's what I asked and

1229
00:48:57,339 --> 00:48:54,710
she said no it wasn't but she said crazy

1230
00:49:00,430 --> 00:48:57,349
energy running up her spine and she has

1231
00:49:01,539 --> 00:49:00,440
tells her husband I'm I'm gotta go I'll

1232
00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:01,549
take care can you could ride home he

1233
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:02,990
said yep so she goes home it's a

1234
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,559
springtime Easter Sunday lovely day she

1235
00:49:09,759 --> 00:49:08,000
doesn't know what to do so she's totally

1236
00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:09,769
got this fur netic energy and she lies

1237
00:49:15,250 --> 00:49:11,230
down and Hammack in her backyard

1238
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:15,260
soon she lies down and I'll a hammock

1239
00:49:20,799 --> 00:49:17,930
between two trees an owl lands on one

1240
00:49:21,789 --> 00:49:20,809
tree and I'll Lance in the oak tree they

1241
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:21,799
start hooting at each other

1242
00:49:27,099 --> 00:49:25,250
she's in the middle and she says it's

1243
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,109
like there's this energy rushing between

1244
00:49:30,609 --> 00:49:29,359
me now I like it's like I can just all I

1245
00:49:32,799 --> 00:49:30,619
can do is picture like a circuit board

1246
00:49:34,749 --> 00:49:32,809
right and you got two circuits and a

1247
00:49:36,460 --> 00:49:34,759
little component connecting these

1248
00:49:38,349 --> 00:49:36,470
circuits together you know so she's

1249
00:49:40,990 --> 00:49:38,359
being like charged up or something like

1250
00:49:45,580 --> 00:49:41,000
that she says very clearly I was having

1251
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:46,750
her husband comes home her husband's

1252
00:49:50,350 --> 00:49:48,250
kind of a doubter her husband comes home

1253
00:49:51,550 --> 00:49:50,360
and she's lying there in the hammock and

1254
00:49:54,070 --> 00:49:51,560
he says how you doing a sign right back

1255
00:49:55,930 --> 00:49:54,080
that I'm feel a little better wha what

1256
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:55,940
do you notice this has an owl on that

1257
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:57,050
tree there's now on that tree and

1258
00:50:01,200 --> 00:49:57,890
they're hooting at each other it's like

1259
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:01,210
yeah yeah

1260
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,570
afterwards she started spontaneously she

1261
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:07,760
kind of she's felt it she felt a knowing

1262
00:50:12,310 --> 00:50:10,370
that she should be doing hands-on

1263
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:12,320
healing so she started doing energy

1264
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:16,250
healing I got that story on a Monday had

1265
00:50:18,910 --> 00:50:17,690
a long talk with her Wallace of crazy

1266
00:50:21,010 --> 00:50:18,920
stories is a very interesting story

1267
00:50:24,220 --> 00:50:21,020
powerful story that happened on Monday

1268
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:24,230
on Tuesday get another story from woman

1269
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,230
Kelly no so Susan Kornacki the first

1270
00:50:38,090 --> 00:50:36,000
story it is told is it she's absolutely

1271
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:38,100
at peace talking about her UFO contact

1272
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:40,260
experiences she is a UFO experience her

1273
00:50:44,540 --> 00:50:41,520
she talks about it she's comfortable

1274
00:50:47,060 --> 00:50:44,550
talking about it Kelly has had many of

1275
00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:47,070
the experiences that imply UFO contact

1276
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,590
and when he asked her which I have like

1277
00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:51,359
do you think you're a UFO abductees do

1278
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:52,350
you think you're an experienced or she

1279
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:55,760
said I don't know I honestly don't know

1280
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,890
so this going back a few years

1281
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:00,480
her son is now older but at the time he

1282
00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:03,900
was 10 she's in her hammock in her

1283
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:07,800
backyard and she's lying there and she's

1284
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:10,020
at peace and comfortable and in the Sun

1285
00:51:13,460 --> 00:51:11,700
and she's looking up at the sky and

1286
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:13,470
she's doing this thing she was like

1287
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:15,330
basically had enough experiences in her

1288
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:17,250
life to know something's up and she

1289
00:51:20,810 --> 00:51:19,500
wanted a sign she said this is sort of

1290
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,820
similar what I do when I lay it to go to

1291
00:51:24,109 --> 00:51:22,440
sleep at night so she would say she's

1292
00:51:26,090 --> 00:51:24,119
like she would lie there very calm and

1293
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:26,100
say I am looking for an answer

1294
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:27,480
can you give me an answer I'm looking

1295
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:29,970
for help I need an answer and I will

1296
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:31,530
close my eyes and count down from 10 and

1297
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:33,330
I'll open my eyes she closed her eyes

1298
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,640
count down from 10 an open horizon

1299
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:37,440
nothing she tried it a few times nothing

1300
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,180
then her Sun comes up and he's tanned he

1301
00:51:43,250 --> 00:51:41,760
hops in that in the hammock with her and

1302
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:43,260
said mom what are you doing so I'm doing

1303
00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:44,490
this thing where I'm like close him eyes

1304
00:51:48,260 --> 00:51:45,900
and she the kid interrupts and goes no

1305
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,270
no I'll do it I'll do it I'll do it

1306
00:51:52,550 --> 00:51:50,640
let's close her eyes and the little boy

1307
00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:52,560
says without any prompting he says dear

1308
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:55,350
God can we see a UFO three two one and

1309
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:56,250
they open their eyes and there's this

1310
00:52:00,590 --> 00:51:58,380
like thing hanging over the trees like

1311
00:52:03,140 --> 00:52:00,600
this thing was like and she says it was

1312
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:03,150
like sparkling and bright and shiny it

1313
00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:03,810
wasn't there before

1314
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:05,670
and she's like running he gets a brand

1315
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:07,260
get binoculars so little boy run said

1316
00:52:10,340 --> 00:52:09,030
did you teach it and then he she hears

1317
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:10,350
this little feet but did you come back

1318
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:11,490
and he kept the binoculars they both

1319
00:52:16,060 --> 00:52:13,290
take turns looking at sleep Wow and she

1320
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:16,070
described it as an ice-cream cone shape

1321
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:19,020
that had was made out of crystals and it

1322
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:21,540
was reflecting every facet in the in the

1323
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:23,490
in the spectrum including color she had

1324
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:24,450
never even seen before which is

1325
00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:26,760
something that shows up people say I saw

1326
00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:28,470
colors I'd never seen before so here's

1327
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:29,670
this ice-cream cone shape thing

1328
00:52:32,660 --> 00:52:31,020
twinkling like a diamond then her

1329
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:32,670
husband shows up at the hammock she's

1330
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:34,050
lying in the hammock husband shows him

1331
00:52:37,330 --> 00:52:35,570
what's going on

1332
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:37,340
he said there's what do you know what do

1333
00:52:41,230 --> 00:52:38,510
you see and he says I see this bright

1334
00:52:42,970 --> 00:52:41,240
sparkly thing in the horizon and he

1335
00:52:45,010 --> 00:52:42,980
takes this again husband shows up he's a

1336
00:52:46,690 --> 00:52:45,020
kind of a doubter and he takes the

1337
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:46,700
vernacular and he feel like actually has

1338
00:52:49,090 --> 00:52:47,930
to take him and then like the thing is

1339
00:52:50,350 --> 00:52:49,100
moving a little bit in the way she's in

1340
00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:50,360
hammock and the way it's moving it's

1341
00:52:54,250 --> 00:52:51,950
like walk away and get up on a hillside

1342
00:52:56,650 --> 00:52:54,260
on my near the edge of the house and so

1343
00:52:59,010 --> 00:52:56,660
he's watching and he's won't get the

1344
00:53:01,770 --> 00:52:59,020
binoculars back

1345
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:01,780
so here we have now if so here's where

1346
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:04,089
it's weird so I found it later these

1347
00:53:08,130 --> 00:53:06,910
these two events happened 44 miles apart

1348
00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:08,140
wasn't the same day that would be

1349
00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:10,390
imperfect but it wasn't 44 miles apart

1350
00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:12,220
and if you look at a photograph of Susan

1351
00:53:19,290 --> 00:53:17,470
Kornacki and this woman Kelly they don't

1352
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:19,300
quite look like twins but they certainly

1353
00:53:26,810 --> 00:53:22,680
look like sisters enough that it is

1354
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:26,820
unsettling how much they look alike

1355
00:53:33,390 --> 00:53:29,400
so here so so what do you do with this

1356
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:33,400
right you have these two events that

1357
00:53:41,290 --> 00:53:39,460
in Tuesday

1358
00:53:43,810 --> 00:53:41,300
I have a lot of these that arose two

1359
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:43,820
days apart I get one one day and I get

1360
00:53:48,070 --> 00:53:46,310
one the next day I mean how do you

1361
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:48,080
unpackage it how do you untangle that

1362
00:53:52,990 --> 00:53:50,690
story I don't have a good answer all is

1363
00:53:55,450 --> 00:53:53,000
so-so

1364
00:53:57,390 --> 00:53:55,460
right so someone so so the shaman sits

1365
00:54:00,099 --> 00:53:57,400
around the village he sits around the

1366
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:00,109
campfire and tells the story to the

1367
00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:03,530
villagers he tells a parable now he

1368
00:54:06,490 --> 00:54:04,700
doesn't have to come back at the end of

1369
00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:06,500
the story and say now here's the meaning

1370
00:54:10,510 --> 00:54:08,630
of it it doesn't that kind of ruin it do

1371
00:54:12,130 --> 00:54:10,520
you feel like kind of give vote so I

1372
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:12,140
don't know with a meaning to this all I

1373
00:54:16,450 --> 00:54:13,609
can do is say that's a powerful story

1374
00:54:19,089 --> 00:54:16,460
and just let it sit there and but I feel

1375
00:54:20,859 --> 00:54:19,099
like I've taken in a lesson from the

1376
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:20,869
story I can't say exactly what that is

1377
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:22,310
but yeah so that story to me it was

1378
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:24,020
really powerful yeah that's that's

1379
00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:27,050
interesting go to because I think I

1380
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:29,150
shared a story with you before regarding

1381
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:31,369
the experiences that I've had with

1382
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:36,530
without and it is strangely added in in

1383
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:39,440
my case anytime there has been some kind

1384
00:54:45,849 --> 00:54:42,710
of interaction that is always regarding

1385
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:45,859
your force or ETS and one particular one

1386
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:48,170
that was very obvious there was no

1387
00:54:52,839 --> 00:54:50,450
mistaken about what was going on and and

1388
00:54:54,849 --> 00:54:52,849
I'm convinced that this was just a

1389
00:54:58,510 --> 00:54:54,859
regular al but the way it played out was

1390
00:55:01,839 --> 00:54:58,520
the strangest thing when I lived in San

1391
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:01,849
Luis I would drive back home I was about

1392
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:03,650
an hour outside of the city and I was

1393
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:05,330
enjoyed that time just kind of winding

1394
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:07,490
down and the second I leave work I

1395
00:55:12,130 --> 00:55:09,770
forget about you know forget about it

1396
00:55:14,349 --> 00:55:12,140
and not think about it till I have to go

1397
00:55:16,660 --> 00:55:14,359
into the next day and just the last bit

1398
00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:16,670
more to enjoy and have more time to

1399
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,060
myself and to live my life so this one

1400
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,160
particular day were kind of stuck with

1401
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:23,839
me and I'm still thinking about it

1402
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:27,050
driving and what what had happened and

1403
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,330
so finally I was getting close to the

1404
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:31,280
house and I said okay enough of enough

1405
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:34,130
of that you know I'm done with this you

1406
00:55:37,089 --> 00:55:35,450
know let's go back to this one

1407
00:55:40,060 --> 00:55:37,099
particular experience that I had that I

1408
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:40,070
wanted to actually reanalyze and think

1409
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:42,790
about what had occurred and the second I

1410
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:46,970
shifted that thought I looked up and I

1411
00:55:53,410 --> 00:55:49,070
would say as I was driving there was an

1412
00:55:55,450 --> 00:55:53,420
owl up on a tree and it kind of uh I

1413
00:55:58,240 --> 00:55:55,460
guess started flying at the same time

1414
00:56:00,190 --> 00:55:58,250
and picked up speed and flying at the

1415
00:56:02,589 --> 00:56:00,200
same speed as the car is but now it's

1416
00:56:05,470 --> 00:56:02,599
about three feet away and just flying

1417
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:05,480
the same speed maybe 30 40 miles an hour

1418
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:06,890
that I was going

1419
00:56:11,470 --> 00:56:09,650
and the next thing I know I'm observing

1420
00:56:15,339 --> 00:56:11,480
it you know that they turned their heads

1421
00:56:17,650 --> 00:56:15,349
in these weird ninety degrees and it did

1422
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:17,660
that and I said did it also then turned

1423
00:56:23,529 --> 00:56:21,470
in and hit the windshield and kind of

1424
00:56:25,420 --> 00:56:23,539
you know disappeared and I kind of

1425
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:25,430
stopped trying to see what had occurred

1426
00:56:29,859 --> 00:56:27,529
I looked back there was no owls to be

1427
00:56:33,269 --> 00:56:29,869
found you know I couldn't I don't know

1428
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:33,279
what how could I hit something and and

1429
00:56:39,099 --> 00:56:36,650
you know sense the the impact and

1430
00:56:42,220 --> 00:56:39,109
everything about it and not witness

1431
00:56:43,660 --> 00:56:42,230
anything afterwards and so I started was

1432
00:56:44,890 --> 00:56:43,670
like what in the world is happening and

1433
00:56:47,890 --> 00:56:44,900
the only thing I have left there was

1434
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:47,900
actually a feather and I now a feather

1435
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:49,609
that was stuck in the the windshield

1436
00:56:55,539 --> 00:56:52,480
wipers and on my move when I move from

1437
00:56:57,279 --> 00:56:55,549
from Missouri to Arkansas I lost it I

1438
00:56:59,170 --> 00:56:57,289
would have still had it to this day

1439
00:57:03,400 --> 00:56:59,180
because I saved it but yeah there was my

1440
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:03,410
only little proof that I did that event

1441
00:57:08,410 --> 00:57:06,170
even occurred because valve was gone

1442
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,420
and it happened at the moment you are

1443
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:09,920
trying to make sense of this memory

1444
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:14,330
right right yeah contact memory very

1445
00:57:18,340 --> 00:57:16,610
telling so this is this is so this is

1446
00:57:19,780 --> 00:57:18,350
something that story I've heard that

1447
00:57:21,970 --> 00:57:19,790
well story is told I've heard in one

1448
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:21,980
form or another many many times it's

1449
00:57:27,220 --> 00:57:23,570
even the thing where the owl hits the

1450
00:57:29,140 --> 00:57:27,230
car and and there's there's nothing

1451
00:57:30,970 --> 00:57:29,150
there I've had a bunch where the dowel

1452
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:30,980
is in the road and they think it's gonna

1453
00:57:33,550 --> 00:57:32,510
fly off like it should fly off and

1454
00:57:35,740 --> 00:57:33,560
they're driving around all this and it's

1455
00:57:37,390 --> 00:57:35,750
like bum bum they have run it over

1456
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:37,400
they squash it it goes under both tires

1457
00:57:40,420 --> 00:57:38,720
bump bump you know you can run over

1458
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:40,430
something and and they stop the car oh

1459
00:57:44,830 --> 00:57:41,680
they feel terrible and they get out

1460
00:57:46,750 --> 00:57:44,840
there's nothing like a car running over

1461
00:57:50,590 --> 00:57:46,760
a little owl right it should squash it I

1462
00:57:52,210 --> 00:57:50,600
have that's that is very common I have a

1463
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:52,220
story just I just got recently on TV I

1464
00:57:57,230 --> 00:57:53,570
cost you see I'm not his not giving me

1465
00:58:00,200 --> 00:57:57,240
permission to tell it but basically he

1466
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:00,210
[Music]

1467
00:58:04,180 --> 00:58:01,770
was struggling with paranormal

1468
00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:04,190
experiences he had been seeing an owl

1469
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:06,660
and he was on a walk when he uses these

1470
00:58:11,420 --> 00:58:08,910
walks to meditate kind of to think so

1471
00:58:14,779 --> 00:58:11,430
he's gonna walk and he actually asks is

1472
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:14,789
this stuff real at that moment and I'll

1473
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:16,650
flew over him so he's asking it and

1474
00:58:20,329 --> 00:58:18,569
Isles are quiet right he says is this

1475
00:58:21,620 --> 00:58:20,339
stuff real and they let I'll actually

1476
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:21,630
flies right over me hits him on the head

1477
00:58:24,650 --> 00:58:22,980
with his feathers it's close enough that

1478
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,660
it flaps his wings and touches his head

1479
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:26,880
at the moment he thinks is this stuff

1480
00:58:32,769 --> 00:58:29,910
real this paranormal stuff real I've got

1481
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:32,779
that one in a variety of configurations

1482
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:36,660
literally being touched at the moment of

1483
00:58:41,329 --> 00:58:38,940
thinking or saying you know what's

1484
00:58:43,779 --> 00:58:41,339
here's one that's really common people

1485
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:43,789
the people in the woods they're saying

1486
00:58:47,269 --> 00:58:45,660
won't it be weird if we heard an owl

1487
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:47,279
boom right at that moment in owl hoots

1488
00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:51,690
that's remarkably common I have one

1489
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:54,839
that's very common too which is I have a

1490
00:58:57,140 --> 00:58:56,130
couple people who've done this next Lee

1491
00:58:59,019 --> 00:58:57,150
this is strange because I've had

1492
00:59:02,359 --> 00:58:59,029
compressor there trying to record it and

1493
00:59:04,099 --> 00:59:02,369
where that I'll be hooting they were

1494
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:04,109
there recording the audio and I was

1495
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,089
hooting in a tree and they approached

1496
00:59:09,799 --> 00:59:08,640
the tree they're like I'm in there

1497
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:09,809
saying I'm gonna record this from my

1498
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:11,730
Cleland my friend Suzanne Chancellor did

1499
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:13,410
this and I will hooting in a tree

1500
00:59:16,490 --> 00:59:14,910
see how old she been heree hearing out

1501
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:16,500
her window it's the eastern screech owl

1502
00:59:19,809 --> 00:59:17,849
they were very defined kind of whinny

1503
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:19,819
sounds like a little tiny horse going me

1504
00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:22,740
so hey she's cool hears it in the tree

1505
00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:24,359
she's got her phone she walks up to the

1506
00:59:29,809 --> 00:59:25,619
tree she's trying to record it she said

1507
00:59:31,450 --> 00:59:29,819
I will send this to Mike and get close

1508
00:59:36,529 --> 00:59:31,460
to the tree and then there's just like

1509
00:59:38,900 --> 00:59:36,539
orange orb links on blinks off and Alice

1510
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:38,910
there's no Allah noise there's no noise

1511
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:43,430
well and I have that one a few times

1512
00:59:50,339 --> 00:59:46,240
hearing a now looking at a tree orange

1513
00:59:52,289 --> 00:59:50,349
orb all hooting stops it I mean is there

1514
00:59:54,329 --> 00:59:52,299
something was there like the Winsett

1515
00:59:55,710 --> 00:59:54,339
orange arm like a little like alien

1516
00:59:57,390 --> 00:59:55,720
interdimensional probe that was

1517
00:59:59,009 --> 00:59:57,400
projecting the audio of an owl I mean I

1518
01:00:00,900 --> 00:59:59,019
have like I can't even begin to guess

1519
01:00:03,289 --> 01:00:00,910
but that's the the commonalities between

1520
01:00:06,269 --> 01:00:03,299
those stories are pretty remarkable um

1521
01:00:07,739 --> 01:00:06,279
yeah I have a story of a guy who driving

1522
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,749
down the road this is you know this is a

1523
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:08,799
weird part of the thing where it where

1524
01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:10,720
to where I get included he's driving

1525
01:00:16,769 --> 01:00:13,630
down the road crosses a bridge I'll

1526
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:16,779
fly's in front of his window and then

1527
01:00:20,670 --> 01:00:19,089
he's he's coming home from work and he

1528
01:00:21,989 --> 01:00:20,680
continues on he's like wow that scared

1529
01:00:23,279 --> 01:00:21,999
the crap out of me like I was like

1530
01:00:24,839 --> 01:00:23,289
totally I'll boom boom boom his heart's

1531
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,849
pounding and as he's driving in this

1532
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:26,799
heightened state within a half a mile he

1533
01:00:33,029 --> 01:00:30,730
looks over and there's a giant football

1534
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:33,039
field-sized hovering copper-colored

1535
01:00:36,660 --> 01:00:35,049
flying saucer above like a crummy

1536
01:00:38,370 --> 01:00:36,670
industrial building in this urban area

1537
01:00:40,140 --> 01:00:38,380
and it's kind of a cloudy day and it

1538
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:40,150
like rises up and he's caught in traffic

1539
01:00:46,190 --> 01:00:42,970
he just goes past and he tells me the

1540
01:00:48,829 --> 01:00:46,200
story he's like oh and by the way um

1541
01:00:50,809 --> 01:00:48,839
I when I was saw those the owl in the

1542
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:50,819
UFOs listen you to talk I had my talk I

1543
01:00:55,460 --> 01:00:52,680
was listening to it on my um my phone

1544
01:00:58,490 --> 01:00:55,470
and I was projecting through my um my my

1545
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,500
bluetooth on my my car stereo and I was

1546
01:01:03,049 --> 01:01:00,240
listening to your talk on owls and UFOs

1547
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:03,059
like what what what you're listening to

1548
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:05,400
me talking about owls and UFOs and you

1549
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:07,079
saw an owl in a UFO at the same time you

1550
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:08,130
were listening to me talking about owls

1551
01:01:11,269 --> 01:01:09,930
and your folks he goes yeah and we did

1552
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:11,279
this over Facebook and I will tell you

1553
01:01:17,059 --> 01:01:15,690
that the number of 11 11s and 333 stuff

1554
01:01:20,849 --> 01:01:17,069
that showed up in the time counts so

1555
01:01:26,910 --> 01:01:24,150
so yeah how do you untangle this stuff

1556
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:26,920
you know so I can't untangle it all i

1557
01:01:29,460 --> 01:01:27,970
can say is there's a there's a

1558
01:01:31,859 --> 01:01:29,470
consistency here you have to just let it

1559
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:31,869
kind of soak in the way a parable or on

1560
01:01:36,839 --> 01:01:35,410
a campfire would soak in right well my

1561
01:01:39,029 --> 01:01:36,849
thank you very much for sharing the

1562
01:01:42,749 --> 01:01:39,039
stories and taking the time again to

1563
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:42,759
talk to me if we I if you could please

1564
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:44,170
tell us a little bit more about your

1565
01:01:49,529 --> 01:01:47,049
book and your your website and I guess

1566
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:49,539
we can conclude with that sure sure my

1567
01:01:52,829 --> 01:01:52,210
have a copy of Google UFOs owls I'll

1568
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:52,839
come right up

1569
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:55,119
you can type in my blog is hidden

1570
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:57,130
experience blog spot.com and that's the

1571
01:02:01,620 --> 01:02:00,160
focal point of all my owl UFO research

1572
01:02:03,299 --> 01:02:01,630
and my personal stories and you have a

1573
01:02:06,029 --> 01:02:03,309
whole series of podcasts I haven't done

1574
01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:06,039
them in a while and I'm actually just

1575
01:02:09,509 --> 01:02:07,480
about to start doing podcasts again I've

1576
01:02:11,759 --> 01:02:09,519
got a the whitley strieber

1577
01:02:14,009 --> 01:02:11,769
for unknown country will be updating his

1578
01:02:16,019 --> 01:02:14,019
site and i will be doing weekly podcast

1579
01:02:17,759 --> 01:02:16,029
on his site which i'm looking forward to

1580
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:17,769
and i've started a few and i've got a

1581
01:02:24,329 --> 01:02:21,609
few in the in the cache but once again

1582
01:02:27,390 --> 01:02:24,339
my home site the core site that i use is

1583
01:02:29,130 --> 01:02:27,400
hidden experience blog spot.com hidden

1584
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:29,140
experience all one word you can I have a

1585
01:02:33,989 --> 01:02:31,210
little site that I just with my name so

1586
01:02:35,549 --> 01:02:33,999
you can type my cleland calm and I'm

1587
01:02:38,489 --> 01:02:35,559
from there you can get to the to the

1588
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:38,499
other sites the book is called

1589
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:40,089
messengers all I got a copy of it right

1590
01:02:42,989 --> 01:02:41,170
here there's a couple of there's here

1591
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:42,999
I'll do this is gonna probably reflect a

1592
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:44,230
little bit there's the messengers it's

1593
01:02:47,849 --> 01:02:45,849
this the first book this was in the

1594
01:02:50,819 --> 01:02:47,859
winter of 2015

1595
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,829
two years later I this is a slightly

1596
01:02:53,759 --> 01:02:52,480
thinner book this is called stories from

1597
01:02:55,229 --> 01:02:53,769
the messengers they book they put these

1598
01:02:58,529 --> 01:02:55,239
two books together pretty thick so this

1599
01:03:00,450 --> 01:02:58,539
is basically one giant 650 page book on

1600
01:03:01,710 --> 01:03:00,460
UFOs and owls and people say hey you

1601
01:03:04,229 --> 01:03:01,720
gonna write another book on UFOs and

1602
01:03:06,210 --> 01:03:04,239
Isles and I'm like no like if I can't

1603
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:06,220
give my point across in 650 pages like

1604
01:03:11,579 --> 01:03:09,910
I'm doing something wrong so but those

1605
01:03:15,479 --> 01:03:11,589
are all available easy to get on Amazon

1606
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:15,489
so okay well good deal Mike thanks again

1607
01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:19,119
we will talk again soon and I appreciate